How to Juggle between family, business and health with Nathalie LeFave – ep 63

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ūüďĘ Nathalie is a Holistic Transformation Coach and has been a leader in Holistic Health and Wellness for 20 years, a mother of 3 boys, and a yogi.

 Her mission is to help parents become free of their past to create their desired life by tapping into their subconscious mind, connecting with their body and aligning their Mind and Heart.

She is a Certified Rapid Transformational Practitioner, Forrest Yoga Teacher and a Huna Energy Healing Practitioner.

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  • Nathalie LeFave’s journey of personal growth began with her realization that she was unfulfilled in her successful corporate career.
  • She found healing through yoga and energy healing, which helped her connect with her body and emotions.
  • Through her journey of self-discovery, Nathalie discovered the power of the mind-body connection and the role of the subconscious mind in shaping our beliefs and behaviors.
  • Rapid transformational therapy helped her guide others to understand the root causes of their problems and rewire their subconscious with new beliefs.
  • Aligning the mind and body is key to achieving personal growth and living a fulfilling life.


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Mostafa Hosseini    0:02 

And we’re live Welcome to daily confidence for entrepreneurs. My name is Mostafa Hosseini¬† , your host for the show. At daily confidence. We share tips, strategies and actionable advice that you could use to boost your confidence when it comes to running your business. And in different areas of business. We do a draw and we give away gifts.

And if you could like, subscribe to the show on whichever channel that you are watching. And basically, if you subscribe to our channel on Apple, Spotify, Google podcast, if you have questions during the show or after show, pop them in the chat box or as a comment and we’ll get back to you and or if you know a friend who could benefit from the conversation that we’re having. You will enter your name for the draw. I have an amazing guest today. Natalie love Fay welcome, Natalie.


Nathalie LeFave  1:03 

My pleasure, Mustapha,


Mostafa Hosseini    1:05 

how are you? I am good. And today we’re talking about how to juggle between family, business and health, which is a very important topic. If you know anyone that could benefit from this conversation live. Invite him to the show right now. And if you have any questions, just put them up, pop them in the chat box or as a comment.

So let me do the proper introduction for Natalie. And then we’re going to dive into a very interesting conversation, as it’s about mindsets and how to manage your yourself in your business in your time, family and the rest of it. So it’s going to be really interesting. So without further ado, Natalie is a holistic transformation coach, and has been a leader in holistic health and wellness for 20 years, a mother of three boys and a yogi.

Her mission is to help parents become free of their past to create their desired life by tapping into their subconscious mind connecting with their body and aligning their mind and heart. She is a certified rapid transformational practitioner. For us yoga teacher and Hoonah energy healing practitioner. Welcome, Natalie.


Nathalie LeFave  2:18 

My pleasure. My staff i Nice to be here with you.


Mostafa Hosseini    2:21 

It was great to have you so we’re about are you.


Nathalie LeFave  2:25 

I live just outside Toronto, Canada in a small town called Milton. until


Mostafa Hosseini    2:31 

an Ontario beautiful, what’s the weather like right now?


Nathalie LeFave  2:34 

It’s nice and sunny right now. It’s breezy. So I have my windows open. So if you heard the siren early on, that’s a cause I ran outside. So


Mostafa Hosseini    2:46 

Oh, yeah. Okay, good. Last time I was in Ontario was probably two or three years ago.


Nathalie LeFave  2:55 

And did you like it here?


Mostafa Hosseini    2:57 

I loved it. We went to the highlight of the trip was Niagara Falls, which is obviously an iconic place. And then the wonderland. We spent a whole day on in the Wonderland and I rode those roll across there so many times my head was spinning like for a whole week.


Nathalie LeFave  3:20 

Brief writing


Mostafa Hosseini    3:23 

is I was my best friend. And we’re both crazy about this kind of stuff. So we just we just wrote the roller coaster all day, basically. So yeah. So Natalie, what is your story? How did you get into? What’s the backstory behind what you’re doing now?


Nathalie LeFave  3:40 

Oh, well, Mustapha, when I was just out of university, I have a commerce degree a business degree. I started working in corporate in large corporations such as for the bank, CIBC, I work for Unilever, Canada for GE. And I was really good doing what I did.

But at the end of the day, I wasn’t fulfilled at all, to the point that at one point, I was almost at a crossroad, having on the verge of having a nervous breakdown. And that had to change for me so because I couldn’t imagine working like this, and having a family at that time I was, you know, still not married, not having kids, but I did want to have kids.

So that set me on the path of really connecting with who I am. And so I started with becoming a fitness instructor and a personal trainer. And I love movement. And from there I I got into yoga because I was also very addicted to intense exercise.

So it was a form of release for me But I was running away from pain. And I didn’t understand that. And when I found yoga, and one yoga teacher asked me one day, what is it that you’re running from? And that made me question what I was doing. And so yoga had set me on that healing path to get connected with myself. And to start that journey of finding out what’s inside of me. What is it that I’m feeling that I’m not wanting to feel.

 And so that started that journey. And eventually, that led me to find energy healing as well. When my dad was on his deathbed, he I was born in an island called Mauritius, which is across the world from where I am, I got to spend my last two days with him, and he can talk. So the only way to communicate was through energy, I could feel his energy and I knew that he could feel my energy.

And that set me on this, you know, curious journey of what is energy and how we connect to each other like me talking to you right? Now I can sense you. And you can sense me and others as well. So then I started learning about energy healing and practicing that but at the end of the day, my stuff I can tell you be it I was a personal trainer, be it I was a yoga teacher, energy healer, people that came to me, there was something deeper, always.

And the root causes of what’s causing be it their ailment be that they are overweight, or they have an addiction was deeply rooted. And one day, I stumbled on rapid transformational therapy. And I knew that was going to be like what the tool that I’ve been waiting for. Does that helps us to connect with our subconscious mind.

 And we know how the mind is so powerful. And when we can connect with the subconscious that stores all our memories, then we can ask our subconscious why is that I feel the way that I feel today. And when we can understand because unless we understand, then we can do something about it.

¬†And so helping people to guide them to understand what’s the root cause, reframe that for them, and help them to rewire the subconscious with the belief that they they need today in order to reach the goals that they want in life or their desired lifestyle, like I call it.

And so this is my path that led me now to use all of these tools that I’ve learned, the yoga helps to connect with the body because the body is the part of us that we can easily feel you know, when you get hurt, you can feel that when you have a headache, you feel that right. And so when we can connect with the body, and then connecting with the mind, and then learning how to align the two of them, then we can get that sense of freedom of peace of knowing and really get connected with ourselves.

So this is my journey in a nutshell.


Mostafa Hosseini    8:42 

So as you were just saying send your let your last sentence connecting the body and the mind. I was just I was just I was just became aware of my muscles and it started relaxing. I was getting chills. So sometimes, I’m just curious when you said your dad was halfway across the world, where about is that? Where’s your family from?


Nathalie LeFave  9:04 

I was born in an island called Mauritius. I don’t know if you’re aware of Mauritius is a tiny island in the east coast of South Africa. So Madagascar, people nomadic ESCO usually Yeah. And so it was a French colony and British and now it’s been independent since 1968. So that’s where I was born.

And I grew up on the island and the alien is very diverse, just like in Canada because people from all over the world came to the end anyways, an island that was in the middle, it’s in the middle of the Indian Ocean. So back in the days all the ships will cross the Indian Ocean and would stop there.

So now that it’s it’s independent, there’s a lot of people from India from, you know, the French and the British came to colonize the Island and of course there was slavery at the beginning of the island series. Very diverse. Yeah, with regards to culture


Mostafa Hosseini    10:09 

entered now isn’t now its own independent countries that what is nice, yeah. Okay. And what’s it called again?


Nathalie LeFave  10:15 

Mauritius and Mauritius. Yeah, Ma, you are itI us.


Mostafa Hosseini    10:20 

Very interesting. Very interesting. So is it possible to have good health for business owners while they’re working really hard?


Nathalie LeFave  10:38 

If health is important to you, which I assume when you’re a business owner, you want freedom, right? That’s why we all own our businesses, because we want that freedom. Now, if I asked you most of our if you have all the money, and you’re working hard, and you’re receiving all the money you want, but you do not have health. What good is that for you?


Mostafa Hosseini    11:05 

No good at all.


Nathalie LeFave  11:07 

Right, if you don’t have a good relationship with your family, how good is that?


Mostafa Hosseini    11:14 

Not good at all. He can’t be on your own with a lot of money, but it doesn’t really matter, I guess.


Nathalie LeFave  11:21 

And when you know, just like me, when we leave this earth, do we bring all that stuff with us?


Mostafa Hosseini    11:28 



Nathalie LeFave  11:31 

Right. And I think at the end of the day, health is important to all of us. But the question is, if it is not a priority for you, then why is it not a priority? And when you can ask yourself this very honest question, then you can get to what is it that’s not allowing me to take care of myself?

What beliefs that I have acquired, that says, like, I can speak for women, because I’m a mother, and I’m a woman. And usually that’s what happens when we have kids, we have a job or we we have a business, we tend to put ourselves last. Why is that? Hmm? Right.

So there are very deep beliefs that run our lives. And so therefore, that’s why I’m so passionate about teaching people to become curious to inquire into the things that are important to you get clear about that. And yes, you can have a business and you can grow your business. But along the way, be aware if you’re sacrificing the most important aspects of your life.


Mostafa Hosseini    12:58 

Love it. So over the past couple of weeks, I’ve been doing some personal work. And I’ve been asking and answering questions about myself. So I’m just going to answer this question of what is important to me. I’m going to add that to that document. The things that are important to me. And I’m going to think about it. Just knowing and being aware of it. I think is important.


Nathalie LeFave  13:25 

Yeah. Because you are the creator of your life. Right. Exactly. And so you know, yourself what is important to you? Hmm, and nobody else know that.


Mostafa Hosseini    13:37 

Yeah, I think it’s what happens with a lot of business owners is some of some business owners if not all, or most of them work really hard, like 6080 or more hours a week. And then they wear themselves out. They don’t sleep enough, they’re not content.

And then they get all sorts of diseases, their health, they lose their family, and some of them end up, you know, I guess making money. Right, and achieving business success. But like you mentioned, they lose their health, they lose their family, they lose their friends. And it’s just next the next thing you know, as it’s not very effective. Let’s just put it that way.

So for someone that is experiencing that, that what tips and advice do you have for someone that that that could balance or juggle between family business and health?


Nathalie LeFave  14:43 

So first thing is, a lot of times what happens is that what’s running us is not conscious.


Mostafa Hosseini    14:51 

What do you mean that?


Nathalie LeFave  14:53 

So nobody wakes up and say, This is what I’m going to do. I am working really, really heard, and I’m okay sacrificing my health and that’s what I want. Right? There’s another drive behind the working hard. You know, I, I know it really well, because I come from a culture that says, you need to work really hard in order to become successful.

And I think a lot of people grew up like this. So therefore, going back to, there’s a belief there. And if you slow down, and what I ask people to do is just, you know, just like you and I sitting here, just take a deep breath. And ask yourself, when you get up in the morning, say you’re about to start your day. And you say, I have to work from like 7am till 10pm Tonight, what is it that you think you will get from working that many hours a day non stop?


Mostafa Hosseini    16:09 

That’s another good question. Right? What was the question again? What is it?


Nathalie LeFave  16:14 

What is it that you think you will receive from working so hard?


Mostafa Hosseini    16:26 

Why is that important? What like, what is to drive us?


Nathalie LeFave  16:31 

I will give you an example of Senators a belief that I have to work hard to feel that I’m doing a good job. Right, but I’m doing my best. Uh huh. So then, if that’s the case, why do you think that you’re not doing your best in the first place?


Mostafa Hosseini    16:54 

Mm hmm. You know, when I want to show others that I’m, I’m a really hardworking person.


Nathalie LeFave  17:00 

Exactly. You have to prove yourself,


Mostafa Hosseini    17:02 

right? To my customers, to my parents, to my family to my friends.


Nathalie LeFave  17:08 

Exactly. So then we the moment you we do that. And we say, I have to prove to others that I’m enough that I have to prove to others that I’m successful in their eyes. You’ve disconnected with yourself.


Mostafa Hosseini    17:29 

You’re not serving yourself. You’re serving others, I


Nathalie LeFave  17:32 

guess. Exactly. And when you serve others, then there’s a part of you that feels what just happened here.


Mostafa Hosseini    17:39 

What about me?


Nathalie LeFave  17:40 

What about me, but understand Mostafa? That disconnection is already there. And that disconnection, if I ask even you, for example, that disconnect, how far does that go back? You know that I have to prove myself to others all the time.


Mostafa Hosseini    18:07 

Ah, sorry. Are we looking for the first instance, that that happened?


Nathalie LeFave  18:15 

That that happened? And if I asked you right now, how far is that go back? How far would you say it goes back?


Mostafa Hosseini    18:25 

Usually goes back to childhood, right?


Nathalie LeFave  18:28 

Bingo. So a lot of who we are today, our personality, not who we truly are. We’ve learned that from the first seven years of life, that’s when the programming happened. Just like your smartphone is programmed, your computer is programmed. That first seven years of life is when a child brain is programmed.

The child is absorbing everything. That’s why you know when we say you want to teach your child multiple languages, teach them when they’re young. You want to teach them how to play any instrument, teach them when they’re young, because they’re like bunch, the mind is in a hypnotic trance for the first seven years of life. All children are doing is absorbing information watching what Mom, Dad teachers elders are doing. And that’s how they learn how to be in society. Well, guess what? What mom and dad and all the other people, how they behave, where did they learn that from their parents, from their parents from you know from generations and generations.

 And a lot of those beliefs and behaviors and habits. Fast forward to being an adult today are not serving us


Mostafa Hosseini    20:02 



Nathalie LeFave  20:04 

right? If I asked you your smartphone, your phone, how many times does it ask you to update it?


Mostafa Hosseini    20:12 

A lot of times,


Nathalie LeFave  20:14 

and if you don’t update it, what happens?


Mostafa Hosseini    20:18 

It stays behind that it breaks and it gets vulnerable.


Nathalie LeFave  20:21 

And so if I asked you or anybody else listening, how many times have you updated? Your mind? Your computer?


Mostafa Hosseini    20:34 

Absolutely. So a couple of questions. So here’s what I wrote down. Another question I’m going to answer is, what belief is not serving me? And I’m going to question now, two things that came up. One is how do you? How do you?

Well, I guess the first step would be to identify what are two beliefs that are not serving me anymore? Yeah. And then what is the next step? How do you go about fixing or getting rid of that belief? Because I know, a belief that is embedded in your behavior or in mind behavior? Exactly. It’s not as easy to get rid of, especially if it’s in my DNA, and it’s a generational kind of behavior. And


Nathalie LeFave  21:18 

yes, it’s in your subconscious. Right, right. And so how we go about it, so it is called passing by noise. And that’s where rapid transformational therapy comes in. Okay. So this is a session that we access the subconscious.

And we ask the subconscious, specific questions related to whatever challenges you’re experiencing, say, for example, you’re feeling that you’re not good enough, then we asked the subconscious to come up with, you know, the first few memories of what made you develop that belief about yourself. And your subconscious will come up with it. Because everything is stored there.


Mostafa Hosseini    22:11 

What was the question again? What was the belief?


Nathalie LeFave  22:15 

What is will ask the, the subconscious, to come up with the first memories of that belief? How did that belief come to take place? Because something must have happened for you to have to develop that belief. And a belief happens because it’s a repeated thought that keeps happening. Right, and then develops into a belief.

So meaning, so for example, as a parent, right, and that’s why we say, when your child made a mistake, never say, you’re stupid, right? Because if a child keeps hearing, you’re stupid, you’re stupid, you’re stupid, what’s gonna happen? Eventually? Exactly.

And I work with a lot of clients that when they go back to what caused them to believe certain things about themselves, they go back to situations where they heard these words over and over and over. And then that become who they are.

Right, so in, in the session, that’s what I help people do and cover what made them come up with that belief. And also, we frame those beliefs. Because with beliefs happen in childhood, and you know, a child’s brain is not fully developed until you’re in your mid 20s. So meaning when you’re a child, or even a teenager, your brain hasn’t fully developed yet.

Bless you, thanks. When a child sees something happening, and maybe didn’t even hear those words, but certain circumstances happen and situation in their life, and then they put a certain meaning to it. That meaning serve them when they were young. Meaning is no longer serving us as adult. So that’s why it’s important to reframe when we are the adult, we’re not a child anymore. We have coping mechanism that we didn’t have as a child.

 Right if I asked you when in your life, are you the most helpless? What would when would that be asking me? Yeah.


Mostafa Hosseini    24:53 

When was it that I was the most helpless? What I was going to school?


Nathalie LeFave  24:59 

Yes. You were a child?


Mostafa Hosseini    25:01 

No, I was a university time. But think about okay,


Nathalie LeFave  25:05 

you at university, but when are you the most helpless meaning that you needed somebody to help you learn teach you certain things,


Mostafa Hosseini    25:15 

how I immigrated to Canada, I was just here but on my own. That’s it, I was responsible for everything. Right. And I was I was in survival mode. So it was just me. It was just you to go to school, I had to work to figure out cuz I wasn’t born in Canada, I was born in Iran.

And so I had to deal with the culture, I had to learn the language. I had to learn how to do business. So that’s why when you asked me that question, that’s the period for me. Now, I’m probably sure I’m sure. There are instances in my childhood when I went to school where I needed help as well or I was helpless.


Nathalie LeFave  26:05 

Yeah, and even a baby, right? Think about a baby when we are just born. How, you know, we need Mum and Dad, we need a caregiver to care for us to meet our needs.


Mostafa Hosseini    26:20 

So what are we where are we trying to get with that with that question of when were you helpless?


Nathalie LeFave  26:25 

It’s because when a child when something happened, you felt helpless? If the same thing happened to you today, would you be as helpless as a child?


Mostafa Hosseini    26:39 

Is there a prop? Is there a right answer to that?


Nathalie LeFave  26:44 

Like say for example, I give you an example say your child and and you got teased at school? Right for wearing a shirt that you know had cartoon on it. And people like other kids, you know how they are and you’re making fun of your shoot?

A child this can be very painful for for a child. Would you agree? Yeah. Now, if you are now an adult, and you’re wearing a shirt and somebody comments on your shirt, would you would that be as painful for you? Probably not. So and that’s what I mean, as an adult, you you have the ability to logically think. And you have the ability to cope better.


Mostafa Hosseini    27:38 

cope better.


Nathalie LeFave  27:40 

Yeah. You know, even if somebody was running after you as a child, and adult was worrying after you, compared to today, if somebody else was running after you, would it be the same? No. Right? You would know what to do.

You would yell you would scream you would, you know, knock on somebody’s door today, but as a child, maybe the child doesn’t know that. Huh? Yeah. So that’s why I mean, like when we when we uncover the beliefs that happen that we develop in childhood and we put meaning to it, those meaning that help us then is not helping us today and that’s where the reframe comes up.

And that’s what I was trying to explain that’s how we do the reframing


Mostafa Hosseini    28:40 

Okay, and that’s what you help people with the reframe


Nathalie LeFave  28:43 

reframe any, we rewire the subconscious as well. Love it.


Mostafa Hosseini    28:47 

Yeah. Yeah, I think there there needs to be some deep digging into the subconscious. And to cause door all of those experiencing experiences are affecting and forming our behavior the way we think the way we make decisions and the way we live basically.

And I really love the what you brought up as to go back dig up what is not serving and reframe it and deal with it.


Nathalie LeFave  29:22 

Yeah, because today it’s not about we don’t want to stay in the past. We want to know what to do in the present when you know when those habits shows up, the old habits that we know are not serving us when they show up we need to be able to deal with that. And so when we understand where they come from, then we can do something else about those habits.

Then we can say okay, I understand where that comes from. I know where that comes from. I know what to do now. What is it that I need? What is it that you know, my body’s telling me by having those strong emotions. For example, if I feel angry, like, you know, as parents, sometimes we get really impatient and angry at our children.

And it’s not that our children are doing it to on purpose. You know, no child ever gets up and say, I’m going to mess up with my parents today, I’m going to make their life hell. Right? Didn’t, that never happens. But when we get triggered as an adult, as a parent, we need to question that, what is it? That I’ve been feeling? Even before my child did this thing that triggered me? So that I do?


Mostafa Hosseini    30:49 

What is it that I’m feeling?


Nathalie LeFave  30:51 

That is what is in me, that made me feel like I feel the emotions when my child say, for example, triggered me or somebody else came in or you know, a client of yours or anybody else that comes in your vicinity triggered you. It’s not about that person.

It’s about what’s in me. You know, when we talk about a trigger, if you look at the gun, the trigger is very small. But the ammunition inside is what comes out that explodes.


Mostafa Hosseini    31:31 

So it’s a reflection of what’s inside.


Nathalie LeFave  31:34 

It’s showing you what’s inside. Yeah. And so instead of, you know, I know I’ve done this as a parent, you get angry at the child. Yeah. Instead of spending your energy on that, spend the energy on yourself. And question what’s in me, that came out just now?


Mostafa Hosseini    31:57 

I got some questions to ask myself. You know, here’s the deal with me, though. One my kids do stuff. It doesn’t make me as angry as it makes my wife angry. And I’m just like, he’s messing things up. Yeah, let him be. Let’s let him do the big deal. But she doesn’t like it.


Nathalie LeFave  32:21 

Yeah, well, being a woman being a mother, I can tell you, on my part, I can’t speak for her, but I can maybe give you some insight is usually, again, it comes down to if I haven’t been taking care of myself. Okay. Maybe it’s been days, maybe it’s been weeks. Right?

And, and I’ve been like, saying, okay, I’m okay, I’m okay, I can deal with it. I can deal with it. And then my body can’t take it anymore. Yeah. And then, you know, the children starts to act up. And I was at my limit, then yeah, I would, that’s when the anger will explode. And surface.


Mostafa Hosseini    33:07 

Got it. So the key is there to, for mothers to take care of themselves.


Nathalie LeFave  33:13 

Exactly. And for fathers to, and for fathers to, to help out. And that’s why, you know, if you do, you’re not a single parent, then you’re lucky because then you can help each other. Because we have to meet our needs. And when we meet our needs, then we can meet our children’s needs, because our children depend on us. Right?

That’s why they live with us. But for ourselves, we are no longer children, but a lot of us are still waiting, because their needs when they were children were not met.


Mostafa Hosseini    33:53 

Absolutely. Hmm. So speaking of anger, and stress, and dealing with all this, what is the best way to manage these feelings and manage stress from work and children life and business and the rest of it? What are some some good ways to do it?


Nathalie LeFave  34:16 

So first of all, when you’re juggling many roles, when I even the day before, before I go to bed, like I know tomorrow, what I have, what is the most maybe two important things for me that I have to get done? Family wise, okay, so maybe I need to take the kids to the dentist, that’s, you know, I have to do that or I want to make sure that I’m spending time with each one of them.

¬†So that’s my priority. And then work, same thing. What are the things that you’re working on? Or clients that you have to see that you know that you have to be present? We’ve that you have to have things ready. And so planning and preparation is key.


Mostafa Hosseini    35:08 

planning and preparation, what are the top two things I need to do?


Nathalie LeFave  35:12 

Yes. And so asking yourself, what is that priority for you? Right?


Mostafa Hosseini    35:18 

What advice do you have for people who have no clue how to prioritize? And figure out what are the top two things that they must do out of 20 that I have on the list?


Nathalie LeFave  35:31 

Is, so that’s where it may not be the answer they want to hear. But sitting with themselves, okay? Sitting with yourself, even if it’s five minutes. And maybe you start with the aspect of your life where you’re struggling, the most safe your relationship is suffering relationship could be with your partner or with your children.
If that’s what suffering you need to set, and, and maybe journal, that’s the easiest way write down? You don’t have to think about it, but write down what is not working. Right? Feel


Mostafa Hosseini    36:14 

working? Yeah.


Nathalie LeFave  36:16 

And how do you what emotions are you experiencing? Are you experiencing anger? Are you frustrated? Are you sad? What is it? Oh,


Mostafa Hosseini    36:27 

my God, you have given me so much to work with. This has been one of the we’re not even done yet. And it’s been one of the better interviews that I’ve had for a while. So the question was, what is not working? What emotion am I’m experiencing? Was there another question in between?


Nathalie LeFave  36:47 

And then what can I do? Right now? What part of it? Because sometimes we make it in a big thing. And that’s why we put it off?

Because it seems so big and over our head. What part of it can I get? Can I address today? You know, even if you can’t fix the problem, but what is it that I can do today that will move me closer?


Mostafa Hosseini    37:18 

Love it. Love it. That will definitely give us some some awareness as to here’s what’s happening. Here’s how I’m feeling. Here’s why I’m feeling. And Alright, here’s what I’m going to do. And can you give us some possible scenarios, as to someone that is frustrated worn out?

¬†They’ve been working 80 to 100 hours a week. And they feel like they’re spinning their wheels. And nothing it feels like they’re stuck in a swamp. And nothing is working? What advice do you have for that person?


Nathalie LeFave  38:01 

So when you’re stuck in that spinning wheel, I call it that hamster wheel keeps going and going. You need a pattern interrupt. Because if you don’t do it, the universe will do it for you. You know, how many times have we maybe got into an accident or hurt ourselves or fallen sick? That’s a pattern interrupt from the universe.


Mostafa Hosseini    38:29 

Absolutely. So


Nathalie LeFave  38:32 

you need to do that own pattern interrupt and it doesn’t have to be something that’s gonna take a lot of time. So what I tell people is throughout your day, and maybe you start with once a day, for 510 minutes 15 If you can afford to do something that’s going to put a smile on your face.


Mostafa Hosseini    38:57 

Okay. It already brought a smile on my face just talking about it.


Nathalie LeFave  39:02 

Yeah. Do something. I don’t care what it is like listening to music, go for a walk, play with your kids. You know, play basketball, whatever it is piano if you’re an artist paid whatever it is for you. Do something for yourself that will feel good to you.

And do it at least for 30 days, every day, at least once a day. If you can afford twice a day three times a day do it when you feel like you need a break but at least once a day do it. What


Mostafa Hosseini    39:41 

are some examples of things that people could do to bring a smile on their own face?


Nathalie LeFave  39:46 

Like I said like it could be play music, okay, you know listen to your favorite music. Okay. You know if you like going for a walk, go for a walk if you like to your In sports, do your favorite sports?

If you know and if you’re just playing with your kids, and that makes you laugh, and that’s fulfilling to you then do that.


Mostafa Hosseini    40:14 

Yeah. Oh, my kids definitely gives me that for sure. So, can you expand more on on pattern interrupt? Now, here’s my follow up to that. Does it have to be a shocking activity? Meaning? Does have do we have to be doesn’t have to be painful? No, does it have to be? Like a shock? Like, you know, cuz, here’s what I’m thinking, pattern interrupt, because, because when we get interrupted by universe or God or an outside event, it’s sometimes not very pretty. To


Nathalie LeFave  41:02 

Mustapha, it’s like bad because all along, you didn’t listen to the science.


Mostafa Hosseini    41:09  

So that’s like the big slap in the face saying, Hey, wake up.


Nathalie LeFave  41:13 

Wake up, because I’ve been telling you. Maybe it starts with, Oh, my shoulder is hurting a little bit. Yeah, right. Oh, maybe I’m not sleeping enough. Oh, you know, it could be anything small. But then you don’t you don’t not listen, you keep going, keep going, keep going. So that’s why you need when the universe does that it’s painful at times.


Mostafa Hosseini    41:38 

Does too couple of questions. One is, do we need to embrace pain on our end? And just here’s, here’s what I the way I why I’m asking this question. I started. Are you familiar with Wim Hof? Yeah. So I’ve been doing and Wim Hof Method for the past year and a half. And I really love it. And tonight, we’re going to go to a park here in Calgary.

And as soon as I do wherever I find water, I dip into the water. And I embrace the cold and the shock that it gives me, right, because it does a lot of good now, and I’ve been hearing from some some high achievers, like highly successful celebrity achievers, and how they’re talking about embracing pain and make it part even when you’re like Who was I listening to yesterday?

¬†Ray Dalio who owns Bridgewater bank was talking about enjoying the fall and learning, what do you have to add? Is that something that people should experience? And I’m going back to this pattern interrupt raised here? And feel free to tell me that I don’t need to get stuck on this. But


Nathalie LeFave  42:59 

and then No, that’s okay. Because, you know, from what I’m hearing is you’re questioning if we do have to go through those painful situations in order to interrupt the patterns, right? Yeah. And so pain. When we feel the pain, the pain is telling us something.

Right, pain is there to tell us that our mind and our heart are not in alignment.


Mostafa Hosseini    43:37 

Or minor. All right, perfect. Yeah.


Nathalie LeFave  43:40 

And what we want is not an alignment. That’s what the pain is. Any emotions that creates pain be it is anger or sadness, right? It’s pain that you’re feeling. So that’s what it’s telling you. Now, it’s not about running away from the pain when it’s present.

So say, if you feel the pain in in your emotions, then you want to sit with it. And I think that’s what that person that you were listening to, and maybe I may be wrong, is telling you that you need to go down with it. You need to feel it. You need to experience it, and not run away from it.

¬†Yes, yeah. And then then there’s the other pain that we think we need to inflict pain because you know what, for myself, and I didn’t tell you this early on. When I got heavily into exercise. I used to run marathons, I used to lift weights, and the more intense the better. It was for me. And I was feeling so much pain on the inside that I didn’t want to feel that I needed to exert Is it a pain to numb the pain or the inside?

Oh, that is the. And that’s why the intensity had to be there for me to shut down what I was feeling.


Mostafa Hosseini    45:16 

Where? And when did you realize that? When? How did you realize that you’re, you’re shutting your inner pain up or down by adding more pain to it? Do you remember what


Nathalie LeFave  45:34 

I remember because running marathon, I was torturing my body. I was in pain, physically. You know, when I was running, it was painful. But I kept doing it to the point where one time I had to stop. And that’s when I started going into yoga, not to I didn’t know what was really going on. Then when I first started yoga, I just wanted to stretch those muscles.

That was so tight. But then that’s when I when I first experienced forest yoga, which is about connecting with your emotions, and understanding what is really going on inside of you. That’s when I realized what I was doing. That I was running away from that internal pain, emotional pain that I had in me for so long.


Mostafa Hosseini    46:32 

Here’s another question that I just wrote that I’m going to answer. What are my internal pains? And am I trying to numb them?


Nathalie LeFave  46:45 

So the pain of feeling not good enough having to prove myself all the time, that’s what I did, I would do, you know, run the marathon, because that’s proving that, you know that I’m strong, right? Because when I was a child, I did not feel strong. And so as an adult, I wanted to say, show the world I am strong.


Mostafa Hosseini    47:11 

So, so Alright, so we figured out that there you come to the realization you don’t feel good about yourself. And now you’re trying to prove yourself, what was the next step for you? How did you go? Because I’m sure it happens with business, it has happened to me, it probably does still does happen. What was or what is the next step? For you or other people,


Nathalie LeFave  47:34 

then it’s about when you become aware, when you know, what is causing your pain, you can’t unknow it. That’s a fact. And that’s why sometimes people because we are creatures of habit, right. And when we know something, we can’t unknow it and sometimes that’s hold people back because they know they have to change.

And sometimes we’re so stuck in the habit of who we are. That’s very familiar. We know how it’s going to start and how it’s going to end all the time. And so to interrupt that pattern, we need to now let go of those old habits. Right? And so letting go is what’s the most challenging at times, because we know we have to be different now.

And you know, we don’t like being different. We don’t like you know, when changes happen. A lot of people resist the change.


Mostafa Hosseini    48:43 

So go ahead. So what are some, some some What tips do you have for people that want to let go of bad habits?


Nathalie LeFave  48:57 

That’s when you have to really get to know what are those habits doing for you? Because they are doing something for you. Right habits are there like be it. It’s just, you know, daily habits or it could be like even with addiction, we have certain behaviors that you feel like you can’t get rid of and you know that in the long term, it’s not serving you but you’re still doing it.

Right. And that’s because it’s serving a purpose. You’ve learned to use it as an adaptation. To cope again with whatever it is that you’ve been facing.


Mostafa Hosseini    49:43 

Maybe a pain in the past. Maybe. Yeah, yeah. This is deep stuff. I really like it.


Nathalie LeFave  49:53 

It’s really deep and that’s why rapid transformational therapy is amazing because you take about two hours to really work with somebody and start to peel the liens


Mostafa Hosseini    50:07 

to the layer. Love it, love it. Love it. Love it. Love it. Um, no, I have not question I forgot to ask or maybe now’s a good time to ask. And that is we talked about shoulder pain. And I know a lot of entrepreneurs get back pain, lower back pain, knee pain, neck pain, headaches, all sorts of pain, pains and discomforts around what do I call it?

Around business, Now, my question is, um, how do I communicate and understand that pain? Let’s say that I have? Let’s say that I have lower back pain, right? What is the what are some steps? And and how do I get awareness of what is the cause of this pain? And what do I need to do to deal with it going back to that mind and body alignment?

 And you talked about how that happens when the body and the mind are not aligned? Right? The heart and the mind?


Nathalie LeFave  51:18 

Yeah, the hardest part of the body,


Mostafa Hosseini    51:21 



Nathalie LeFave  51:22 

So when you experience pain, again, pain is there for a reason, it’s a good thing that you feel the pain because it’s like, your GPS telling you, oh, you’ve made a wrong turn, come back. So the pain that you’re experiencing is telling you that it’s saying what you’re doing right now, or what you’re thinking is not in alignment of who you are.

So for example, if I’m somebody who has a lot of back pain, the back pain is part of the creativity of the the energy center that has to deal with creativity. Right? So our back is your lower abdomen. And that’s where all creativity happens.

And when you get blocked them, that means that somehow, your creativity is shut down. And perhaps there’s a belief that’s not allowing that creativity to arise, hmm, you’re focused on something like say, as an entrepreneur, like, you know, your, your finance is always, you know, they’re, you know, your lawyer is looking at that and say, you’re not meeting your target or your goals. And your focus on just that. And then you feel like, you’re stuck.

¬†And perhaps it’s because part of you being an entrepreneur is allowing yourself to be creative in your own way.


Mostafa Hosseini    53:05 

Love it, love it. Now, another question that I wrote down for myself is, what am I doing that is not aligned with who I am?


Nathalie LeFave  53:15 

Yes. Always ask the question. Whatever you’re thinking, or whatever you’re fixated on. Is that true?


Mostafa Hosseini    53:26 

Is what I’m thinking true? Or is what I’m doing through boss,


Nathalie LeFave  53:30 

whatever is going on in your mind. If you say, you know, ask yourself, If I stop this, I think this is going to happen, right? Sometimes that’s what happens that we’re thinking, ask yourself, is that 100%? True? Can I say it’s 100%? True?

If I don’t do this, this will happen. Hmm. I don’t work 12 hours a day. I’m going to fail at my business. Is that 100%? True?


Mostafa Hosseini    54:04 

That’s a great question. If I if I don’t do what I’m worried about, is that the end of the world? Exactly. Like if I don’t answer this person, or if I if I make this phone call if I do this thing that I’m afraid of, what are the consequences? Exactly? Like what could possibly go wrong? If I make this phone call or if I appear on stage?


Nathalie LeFave  54:33 

You know, a lot of us who are entrepreneurs also Allah happens to be like, wanting everything to be perfect. Right? And so that can really drive us to have of us going very crazy about things when they are not the way we think they should be.


Mostafa Hosseini    54:51 

Absolutely, absolutely. Now Natalie, Ave you’ve got a guest gift for people that are watching or listening later. Can you tell us about your gift, please?


Nathalie LeFave  55:00 

So it’s a meditation. And it’s a meditation about becoming a compassionate parent. And it’s becoming a compassionate parent, not only to your kids, but to yourself. Because a lot of the healing that will happen when we work on ourselves is learning how to reparent ourselves.

Because a lot of us our needs were not met in childhood, and not because our parents did not love us. But just because they were like us, they were stressed out, they were busy.

And so getting in touch with that part of ourselves, and learning to repair that part of ourselves so that we can now feel fulfilled and satisfied. And then we can parent our children and meeting their needs.


Mostafa Hosseini    55:57 

Love it. That’s a really powerful gift. And I think a lot of us if not everybody could tap into that and take advantage of it. If you want to download and get access to the focus, productivity.


Nathalie LeFave  56:13 

Data dance, I think, oh


Mostafa Hosseini    56:15 

my god. Oh my god, I’m sorry. That’s okay. Just said that. That’s that’s your husband’s that. Hold on.


Nathalie LeFave  56:29 

That can be confusing.


Mostafa Hosseini    56:32 

I apologize. No worries. Here, I’m going to post yours. Okay, so it’s a be a compassionate parent meditation. Yeah, I apologize. Again. It is called the being becoming a compassionate parent meditation. And to get that you could go to Natalie Lafave comm forward slash meditation. I’m gonna spell it out if you’re listening or watching and is Nancy Apple, Tom, Helen, Apple, Linda, India, elephant, Linda elephant. F as in Frank, A as in apple. V as in Victor, E as in

Natalie Lafave comm forward slash meditation. Go there, get access to this. And looks like there’s a world of personal development and making peace with your parents and your past development waiting for you to happen. So go there I am. I know. I’m gonna try this. And I’m really, really happy with the stuff that we talked about. So that’s actually a very generous gift. So thank you, Natalie.


Nathalie LeFave  57:56 

Oh, my pleasure, Mustapha, thank you for having me.


Mostafa Hosseini    57:59 

So let me ask you a few personal questions, if that’s okay. Sure. Yeah. What’s a new thing that you have tried recently


Nathalie LeFave  58:09 

I’ve been swimming with my kids, my, my two sons, the prior to, you know, up till when we shut down, they were doing competitive swimming, so they’re really good swimmers. So and we’re very, we’re very grateful for their godmother who has a pool. And we get to go there every day. And so I decided to take up swimming.

And I love it because I love water. I you know, Mauritius is an island. So I always love the ocean. And so when I’m in the water with them, I usually take them at lunchtime. It’s a break for me a break from you know, if I’d been with a client and it’s a great way to get me more grounded, more in touch with myself. And so that’s what I’ve been taking up like they’ve taught me how to do breaststroke properly, and freestyle, they’re like always correcting me and telling me, Mom, your legs needs more to be more straight.

Say, that’s what I’ve been


Mostafa Hosseini    59:16 

loving. Another good, amazing way to connect with your kids and do activities together as a parent. Amazing, amazing. What are your top two or three favorite books that have made a massive impact in your life or business?


Nathalie LeFave  59:34 

Derry’s The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz Four Agreements. Uh huh. So that’s a really good book. And it goes back to you know, all these agreements that we’ve made when we were younger. And there’s also a new earth by Eckhart Tolly.

I don’t know if your record Earth yes a new of air. And I there’s a book by Louise Hay you can heal your life


Mostafa Hosseini    1:00:13 

you can heal your life


Unknown Speaker  1:00:14 



Nathalie LeFave  1:00:19 

yeah I suppose and you know even Eckhart Tolle, he has another book called The Power of Now as well. That’s really good. And along the way of connecting with the body, I know I’m giving you more than free. But there’s a good book by Gabor Mattei a Dr. Gabor Mati when the body says no.


Mostafa Hosseini    1:00:44 

When the body stays low,


Nathalie LeFave  1:00:46 

says no. And the body says no, yes.


Mostafa Hosseini    1:00:51 

Is that more about body language?


Nathalie LeFave  1:00:53 

Exactly. It’s a more about even people who have diseases. What is that same to you?


Mostafa Hosseini    1:01:02 

Love it. So how is this book? Is it giving you like, symptoms as to because I know, I don’t know if Dr. Demartini? Which I’m sure you know, I don’t know if it’s him or someone else that they did a bunch of studies to identify what could be the sources of different kinds of pain.

For example, knee pain, could be there’s only like a few things that cause knee pain. Is this the same type of


Nathalie LeFave  1:01:32 

no Dr. Gabor medigoo. Really into more like even the stories of real people expand seeing different diseases and, you know, inquire more into that. And he also has a book that he co wrote, which is a good parent book, if you want to grab that. It’s called hold on to your kids.


Mostafa Hosseini    1:01:56 

Hold on to your kids.


Nathalie LeFave  1:02:00 

Yeah, it’s by Gordon Neufeld. And Dr. Gabor Mati.


Mostafa Hosseini    1:02:04 

Very nice, very nice. Now, Natalie, if you had an ad, that would be displayed on Facebook or Google and everyone on earth could see your ad? What would your message be for the people of Earth?


Nathalie LeFave  1:02:21 

That your path doesn’t define who you will, and that your future? It’s not limited from that path. That you can always create your life as of now.

Even if you are older, it doesn’t matter. You can start today. Don’t wait. If you know that you want a different life than what you’ve been experiencing up till now.


Mostafa Hosseini    1:02:56 

What is one piece of advice that made a massive difference in your life?


Nathalie LeFave  1:03:01 

Hmm. One piece of advice,


Mostafa Hosseini    1:03:09 

or it could be something you learned, it could be something that someone gave you advice from a book from anywhere really.


Nathalie LeFave  1:03:18 

I would say not to be scared to be yourself.


Mostafa Hosseini    1:03:23 

I love that. Tell me more about it.


Nathalie LeFave  1:03:27 

Again, it’s I think we grew up in thinking we should be a certain way. And we are not, and we can feel it. And there’s something dying in us when we suppress that part of us. Very, we’re all here with a message. We’re all here with a gift.

And unless we can be who we are. We can’t serve others with our message and our gift.


Mostafa Hosseini    1:03:56 

Absolutely. Absolutely. Natalie, what advice would you give your 20 year old self


Nathalie LeFave  1:04:06 

Don’t be so scared. Just feel everything open yourself up. Because for so long, I was scared. And mind you. I was probably only about 27 When I started doing the work. And so I was I find I was lucky enough to start early to get on my healing path but even at 20 which was closed when I left home to come to university here in Canada.

I was very scared to be myself and to show who I am. So that’s my advice to the 20 year olds out there. You own it, be yourself.


Mostafa Hosseini    1:05:04 

So I had a similar experience as an immigrant to Canada when I was trying to you know, I hinted earlier about the time when I was at I felt helpless. And the moment I tried and realize that being myself works better. Everything became a lot easier and, and a lot of my a lot of my so called Canadian friends.

Tell me that Mostafa, you’ve done a great job adopting to Canada, and I’m like, I actually haven’t done anything to adapt. I’m just being myself. Right. That’s really good job. So, and that is, that is great advice. And


Nathalie LeFave  1:05:49 

no matter where you come from any part of the world doesn’t make you a lesser than person.


Mostafa Hosseini    1:05:56 

Yeah. You’re not higher or better or more than other people, you’re not lower. See, I


Nathalie LeFave  1:06:03 

tell you most of that, on that same thing. Everybody’s level is I got to work with people that have it all. They have it all. Meaning wise, but the stuff that they have inside is the same. Right? So that shows us that no matter who you are, what is it that you’re successful, for?

¬†If you’ve made a lot of money, you have a lot of material gain. Inside, you’re just like any other person.


Mostafa Hosseini    1:06:45 

Absolutely. Natalie, this has been an amazing conversation. I am sure I can easily continue for another two hours without getting bored. But out of interest of time, we do need to wrap up. And gang if if there is any interest on dealing with your present self, your past self.

And if you got things where you’re not sure how to deal with stuff in your past stuff happening right now. And do reach out to Natalie, as you can see, and as you just experience she is an ocean of knowledge and wisdom.

And I can’t wait to tap more into what she is doing an offering I am definitely going to get a hold of her gift becoming a compassionate parent meditation, which you can find that Natalie Lafave comm forward slash meditation it will be in it is in the description of the show and the podcast. So you can reach out and get that. Natalie, is there anything you would like to add?

Before we wrap up that we may be?


Nathalie LeFave  1:07:57 

Now I’d say just go out there and allow yourself to connect with your authentic self. Take the time being silent five minutes, that’s five minutes. You can time it. And yeah, just do what you love. Also, beautiful day. But it’s a pleasure, Mustapha to have been on your show?


Mostafa Hosseini    1:08:22 

Absolutely. Likewise, I really had a great time I have a couple of pages. I actually ran out of space.


Nathalie LeFave  1:08:30 

You know, you can always reach out to me.


Mostafa Hosseini    1:08:33 

Absolutely. Well, and so gang, thank you for joining us. Thank you, Natalie. You reach out to Natalie and all the rest of the great, amazing experts that we bring to the show. If you have questions for Natalie or me, pop them in a comment in the chat but in the chat box or the comment box below.

Or reach out to Natalie reach out to her and we’d be happy to answer your questions. I’m sure she’d be more than happy to answer your questions. Again, as usual, if you please like and subscribe the show. If you have any comments or questions, post them in there.

If you have a friend that could benefit from this conversation, which for me, it’s like 99% of my friends from this conversation, I mean, all of us need to connect with ourselves, connect with our feeling connect with our mind and body so that we are content and happy with who we who we are and what we’re doing.

And if there’s something that we’re not happy about. We can address it we can make changes and take care of it. Otherwise it shows up in forms of pain, diseases, and that’s not a good and pretty spot to be in.

So and help is always there people like Natalie are I love her energy I love I could sense how amazing she is with her positive energy. So do reach out and I look forward to seeing you and again if there’s a topic or or a certain person that you would like us to bring to the show?

Let us know. And we’ll go from there. Thank you Natalie tie and thank you people joining us. My name is Mostafa Hosseini¬† . You’re listening to daily conference entrepreneurs and I look forward to seeing you on our next episode. Bye now




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